Church And State Podcast

Summary: In this episode we breakdown Sam Harris’ defense of the FBI in the ongoing FBI v Apple case. We thought it best to consult the experts, so we invited on Ruben Somsen and Ali Beikverdi to sort things out for us. Ruben Somsen and Ali Beikverdi co-founded the Seoul Bitcoin Meetup and Ali also founded the company Bitholla, a social payment app. In Orson Welles’ 1958 classic, Touch of Evil, Charlton Heston’s character tells us, “A policeman’s job is only easy in a police state.” Is this simply a mantra of those inhabiting a cult of privacy? Is the mind a warrant-proof room? Is the Consigliere a meaningful check on the Don’s powers? Is it fair that some people are tall enough to reach the top shelf while others aren’t? Find out the answers to these questions and hear us struggle to come up with ever newer and worse analogies in this episode! Do you have your own completely unproductive analogy to contribute to the conversation on encryption? Let us know by email us at the address on the About page, or hit