Creating Wealth Real Estate Investing With Jason Hartman

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Survive and thrive in today's economy! With over 900 episodes produced, business and investment guru Jason Hartman interviews top-tier guests, bestselling authors and financial experts including; Steve Forbes (Freedom Manifesto), Tomas Sowell (Housing Boom and Bust), Noam Chomsky (Manufacturing Consent), Jenny Craig (Health & Fitness CEO), Jim Cramer (Mad Money), Harvey Mackay (Swim With The Sharks & Get Your Foot in the Door), Todd Akin (Former US Congressman), William D. Cohan ( The Price of Silence, The Last Tycoon, & House of Cards), G. Edward Griffin (The Creature from Jekyll Island), Daniel Pink (National Geographic).Jason Hartman is the Founder and CEO of Platinum Properties Investor Network, The Hartman Media Company, and The Jason Hartman Foundation. Starting with very little, Jason, while still in college at the age of 19, embarked on a career in real estate while brokering properties for clients, he was investing in he own portfolio along the way. Through creativity, persistence and hard work, he soon joined the ranks of the top one-percent of Realtors in the U.S. and in quick succession; earned a number of prestigious industry awards and became a young multi-millionaire.Jason purchased an Irvine, California real estate brokerage firm which he expanded dramatically and was later acquired by Coldwell Banker. He combined his dedication and business talents to become a successful entrepreneur, public speaker, author, and media personality. Over the years he developed his Complete Solution for Real Estate Investors where his innovative firm educates and assists investors in acquiring prudent investments nationwide for their portfolio. Jasons highly sought after educational events, speaking engagements, and his ultra-hot Creating Wealth Podcast inspire and empower hundreds of thousands of people in 26 countries worldwide.Additional guests featured on the Creating Wealth podcast include Robert Kiyosaki (RIch Dad Poor Dad), Matthew Quirk (The 500 & The Directive), Eve Wright (Life at the Speed of Passion), John Lawrence Allen (Make Wall Street Pay You Back), Jerry Robinson (Bankruptcy in Our Nation), Peter Zeihan (The Accidental Superpower), David Crowe (National Association of Homebuilders NAHB), Consuelo Mack (PBS - Wealth Track), Sean Haugh (Libertarian Candidate for the US Senate), Scott Paul (Alliance for American Manufacturing), Charles Goyette (Ron Paul's America Show), Chris Martenson (Crash Course), Matt Theriault (Epic Real Estate Investing), Christopher Barnatt (The Future of 3D Printing), Zac Bissonnette (Good Advice From Bad People), Rich Karlgaard (Forbes Magazine). Chris Mayer (Agora Financial), Craig R. Smith (The Great Withdrawal), Po Bronson (The Science of Winning & Losing), Jim Stossel (Why Government Fails), John McAfee (Founder of McAfee Anti-Virus Software) Harry Dent (The Great Depression Ahead), Kevin Armstrong (Bulls, Birdies, Bogeys, and Bears), Nick Bilton (Hatching Twitter), Tom Kreautler (The Money Pit), Doug Brunt (Ghosts of Manhattan), Catherine McBreen (Get Rich, Stay Rich, Pass it On), Les Leopold (How to Make a Million Dollars an Hour), Robert Greene (Mastery, Power, & Seduction), Byron Dorgan (Gridlock), Dennis Miller (Retirement Reboot), George Gilder (Knowledge & Power), Jed Kolko (Tulia), Dr. Judith Wright (The Soft Addiction Solution), Richard Duncan (The New Depression), Dave Krieger (Clouded Titles), Bill Ayers (Confessions of an American Dissident), Dr. H. Woody Block (American Gridlock), Steven Kotler (Abundance), Laurence Kotlikoff (The Clash of Generations), Greg Farrell (Crash of the Titans), Shaun Rein (The End of Cheap China), Ken Gronbach (The Age Curve), Amity Shlaes (The Forgotten Man), Roger Lowenstein (The End of Wall Street), Jay Elliot (The Steve Jobs Way), Richard Duncan (The Dollar Crisis & The Corruption of Capitalism), Robert Wiedemer (Aftershock), and Steve Slaunwhite (The Wealthy Freelancer).A trademark feature of Hartman Media podcasts are our 'Tenth Episodes' where alternative topics of interest are explored every tenth episode. This provides a diverse mix of programming exploring issues and influential authors like John Gray (Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus), Dan Millman (Way of the Peaceful Warrior), Dr. Denis Waitley (The Psychology of Winning, The Seeds of Greatness), Lori Ann LaRocco (Opportunity Knocking), Mark Divine (Seal Fit: Way of the SEAL), Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler (The Power of Belief), Dr. Kelly McGonigal (The Willpower Instinct), Doug Conant (Touch Points), Jared Diamond (The World Until Yesterday), Dr. Bob Wright (The Science of Spectacular Living), Jack Canfield (Chicken Soup for the Successful Soul), Sonia Arrison (The Coming Age of Longevity), Dr. David Rock (Your Brain at Work), Gay Hendricks (Relationship Enhancement), Hannah Holmes (Quirk), Dr. Gary Chapman (The Five Love Languages), David Farrow (Millionaire Memory), and David Allen (Getting Things Done), Topics explored at depth on Creating Wealth include investing, income properties, property investing, investment strategies, loan modifications, market predictions, mortgage modi

Episodes

  • 2175 FBF: George Gilder & Modern Money Theory, A Primer on Macroeconomics for Sovereign Monetary Systems & Understanding Modern Money MMT by Professor Dr. Randy Wray, Levy Economics

    28/06/2024 Duration: 46min

    This Flashback Friday is from episode 1139 published last Feb 27, 2019.  Jason Hartman and Adam start off today's show discussing one of the keynote speakers for this year's Meet the Masters event, George Gilder. Gilder has quite the history and the two break down what he did back in the 90s, what he's doing now, and why he's still relevant. Then Jason talks with Dr. Randy Wray, one of the foremost experts in Modern Monetary Theory, about why Minsky the philosopher is important, what exactly MMT is and why it's relevant in today's monetary society. They especially tackle the job guarantee program that MMT espouses and what's coming up for the US in the economy for the next few years. Key Takeaways: 4:58 George Gilder is a thought leader today just like he was 20 years ago 7:55 When Gilder spoke back in the 90s the markets moved Dr Randy Wray Interview: 13:03 Who is Minsky and why is he someone we should concern ourselves with? 16:20 What is Modern Monetary Theory and why is it applicable? 22:08 The government

  • 2174: Sound Money Revolution: Protecting Wealth in Unstable Times with Lynette Zang

    26/06/2024 Duration: 39min

    Jason sends his greetings from Lisbon, Portugal! Today, we’ll dive into gold as a key monetary measure. While Jason's not a gold bug, he values gold and silver as insurance rather than investments. True investments, like income property, offer multidimensional benefits such as inflation arbitrage and wealth creation. Gold lacks these characteristics but remains essential for its intrinsic value. Also, join us every second Wednesday for our masterclass on Alabama real estate. Register at https://www.jasonhartman.com/Wednesday and discover why income property is the ultimate investment! Today Jason welcomes back Lynette Zhang from Zhang Enterprises, highlighting her expertise in the economy, sound money, and precious metals. They discuss the recent surge in gold prices, attributed to global central banks' increased gold purchases, despite market manipulation efforts to suppress it. Zhang explains that rising gold prices indicate failing currencies and manipulation by governments to maintain control. She emphasi

  • 2173: United Nations and the WEF: Unmasking the Global Elite's Vision for the Future @IvorCumminsScience Part 2

    24/06/2024 Duration: 28min

    In part 2 of this discussion, Ivor Cummins highlights the significant influence of the Rockefeller family and their collaboration with figures like Henry Kissinger in shaping a new world order. Cummins emphasizes that the Rockefeller Brothers, wielding immense financial power, sought to create a global structure affecting all aspects of life. This effort was characterized by the establishment of influential organizations like the Trilateral Commission and the United Nations, aimed at fostering a totalitarian world order. Cummins argues that this represents fascism and corporatocracy, where corporate power merges with government influence, as evidenced by entities like the World Economic Forum (WEF). Funded by major corporations such as Microsoft, IBM, and Goldman Sachs, the WEF exemplifies the unification of corporate and state power, echoing Mussolini's definition of fascism. This corporatocracy manipulates global narratives, using crises like pandemics and climate change to enforce control and push their ag

  • 2172 FBF: Listener Q&A, Slowing Real Estate Markets & a Bear Attack

    21/06/2024 Duration: 37min

    This Flashback Friday is from episode 1135 published last February 21, 2019. Jason Hartman and Adam are back today to field some listener questions. They tackle hyperinflation, saving up for your first investment property, and why worker confidence is high but the real estate market is slowing. After the questions have been answered, Jason finishes his story about surviving a bear attack. Key Takeaways: 4:41 Buying 10 financed rental properties can easily beat 1 paid off investment 10:39 The Hartman Health Care Hack 14:53 Listener Question from Josh: Inflation Induced Debt Destruction in places of hyperinflation like Venezuela currently 20:58 Worker confidence in finding a new job is high, but home sales are lower than they've been in a decade, what's the cause for discrepancy? 24:25 Listener Question from Zack: how much should he save before investing in his first rental property? 26:42 Listener Question from Michael: Finish the bear attack story! 32:38 Some of Jason's favorite quotes Website: www.JasonHartm

  • 2171: Inside the World Economic Forum: Ivor Cummins Reveals Rockefeller's Global Control Plans Part 1

    19/06/2024 Duration: 34min

    Jason announces a four-part discussion with Ivor Cummins about 'conspiracy facts' relating to elite infringement on personal freedoms. He also talks about the advantages of investing in single family homes over commercial properties, citing a record high of affordable homes being purchased by investors in the last quarter. Lastly, he emphasized the significant housing shortage in the US, particularly in entry-level homes. Then Jason welcomes Ivor Cummins, author of "Eat Rich, Live Long!", who transitioned from corporate problem-solving to investigating food supply corruption. He shared a conference stage with Jason Hartman, discussing elite class agendas. Cummins, a biochemical engineer, criticized the handling of COVID-19, comparing it to a severe flu. He believes media and pharmaceutical industries push biased information. Cummins also explores the World Economic Forum, linking its origins to Rockefeller influences and global control ambitions. He argues that climate change and pandemics are manipulated nar

  • 2170: From Real Estate Mogul to Happiness Coach: How Self-Love Increased Profits & Improved Relationships with Brad Chandler

    17/06/2024 Duration: 41min

    In today's 10th episode, Jason discusses the uptick in housing inventory, which is still historically low, about half of what it should be. The new normal is higher, but the housing market is still at about half of normal numbers, more than double the lowest point during the COVID era. This means that people are still in a stuck resale market with a lock in effect, where people are not willing to give up their incredible deals on mortgages. Home builders are the only people selling homes because they don't have the lock in effect and have short-term money. Jason has found fantastic deals on new homes with home developers, special financing rates, and buy downs. These builders are more flexible and reasonable, and their earnings are doing well overall. Jason recommends talking to his investment counselor about these deals, as things change over time. Then Jason and Brad Chandler discuss the transformative power of self-love and its impact on overall well-being, with Brad emphasizing the importance of self-awar

  • 2169 FBF: Rental Demographics, Banking Conspiracies & European Attitudes

    14/06/2024 Duration: 32min

    This Flashback Friday is from episode 1027, published last July 16, 2018. Jason Hartman is joined by Venture Alliance member Carmen today in Naples, as the two discuss the importance of music on society (and why it might be more important than monetary control), why complaining is actually important, and some good book recommendations for those interested in learning more about the economy and real estate. Jason also explores the current single family rental demand and what the demographics are looking like for the next 10 years. Key Takeaways: 3:14 North Korea is sitting on $6 trillion of mineral assets 8:31 Give Jason control of the music and he cares not who controls the money or makes the laws 12:23 You have to be a complainer when people wrong you 16:08 Some good books Jason recommends 21:21 No place on Earth or time in history has big, intrusive, high tax, government burden made life better for citizens 25:39 Single family demand: 57% of renters are renting single family houses Website: www.JasonHartman

  • 2168: Uncovering Hidden Wealth: Beating Inflation and Understanding Housing Demand in Real Estate Investing Part 2

    12/06/2024 Duration: 28min

    Today we delve into the psychology of investing, market predictions, and strategies to beat inflation. We discuss the hidden wealth in income properties, likening them to icebergs with unseen benefits such as principal pay down, tax benefits, and inflation-induced debt destruction. Using a real estate example from 2011-2021, we illustrate how property values surged while mortgage payments decreased in real terms. This phenomenon, driven by inflation, reduces the real cost of debt. Unlike other assets, income properties leverage bank partnerships and tax-deferred exchanges, providing unmatched advantages in an inflationary future. We then dive into the significant impact of population growth on the housing market. Despite a 45 million increase in population, inventory levels per capita suggest a much higher housing demand. Immigrant influxes and births continue to drive demand, even as the baby boomer generation ages. Although forecasts scaled back U.S. population growth to 373 million by 2053, housing demand

  • 2167: Empowered Investing: Achieving Long-Term Financial Goals with Income Property Part 1

    10/06/2024 Duration: 25min

    Jason discusses the importance of understanding and visualizing data for better comprehension. He recommends listening to his podcasts before reviewing visual aids, suggesting this method enhances understanding. He emphasizes long-term goals and delayed gratification, sharing a personal anecdote about his mother's journey from poverty to owning a mansion. He then contrasts different real estate markets—linear, cyclical, and hybrid—and explains their varying risks and rewards. Addressing market misconceptions, he highlights how income property remains a resilient, multi-dimensional asset class, even in challenging economic conditions. #RealEstateInvesting #IncomeProperty #MarketAnalysis #LongTermGoals #DelayedGratification #LinearMarkets #CyclicalMarkets #HybridMarkets #InvestmentStrategies #WealthBuilding #FinancialEducation #HousingMarket #PersonalFinance #MultidimensionalAsset #EconomicResilience Key Takeaways: 1:34 Mom's mansion and the 3 types of markets 6:57 The crash bro mentality 13:59 Lots of Data 21:

  • 2166 FBF: Controlling Money Supply, Changing Demand for Debt & Using Smart Home Technology for Self-Management

    07/06/2024 Duration: 31min

    This Flashback Friday is from episode 1102, published last December 26, 2018. Jason Hartman takes today's post-Christmas episode to go over some of the news from one of the most news-filled holiday seasons he can remember. There's a clash going on right now between the government (mostly Trump) and the Fed, but is it really such a good idea to let a non-governmental organization have so much control over our money? Jason also looks at how the changing demand for debt is impacting real estate investors, as well as how getting rid of your outdated technology (like keys) can improve your self-management. Also, buy your tickets today for the upcoming Meet the Masters event in Southern California! Key Takeaways: 3:38 This is the most economically newsworthy filled Christmas Jason can remember 7:30 You may not think it's a good idea to have the government interferring with the Fed, but do you really want our currency run by an independent, unaudited thing like the Fed? 13:04 What does the change in demand for debt

  • 2165: Revolutionary Insights: How Overproduction of Elites Fuels Unrest with Peter Turchin Part 2

    05/06/2024 Duration: 31min

    Jason gives an overview of the current state of various real estate markets, highlighting a slight sellers' advantage with the national median price at $453,000. He underscored the diversified nature of real estate as an asset class and invited attendees to join the upcoming free monthly Zoom meeting with Tom Wheelwright. Additionally, he thanked those who participated in the previous night's empowered investor pro meeting. Then Jason finishes up his talk with Peter Turchin. When too many people compete for limited positions, it leads to widespread crisis, a trend observed in over 200 historical instances. This "illiterate production" causes societal instability as rule-breaking becomes rampant, leading to violence. Popular immigration and overproduction of elite aspirants further exacerbate the issue by creating a large pool of discontented individuals. Economic disparity and precarious living conditions fuel social unrest, potentially leading to civil wars or revolutions. To avoid such outcomes, societies m

  • 2164: Predicting Social Turmoil- Peter Turchin on Cliodynamics and America's Future Part 1

    03/06/2024 Duration: 26min

    Jason discusses history and it's complexities with complexity scientist guest Peter Turchin. Jason also updates listeners on recent events, including a collective mastermind in Orlando and an upcoming talk at the Rebel Capitalist event. He promotes the Empowered Investor Pro membership, highlighting its benefits and exclusive monthly Zoom meetings, featuring guest Tom Wheelwright discussing tax-free wealth. Hartman shares a property investment opportunity in Huntsville, Alabama, emphasizing its potential for high returns through income, depreciation, equity growth, and leverage. He encourages listeners to use the free Property Tracker software https://www.propertytracker.com for investment analysis. Join the monthly Zoom meeting via https://www.jasonhartman.com/wednesday. Jason then welcomes Peter Turchin, a complexity scientist specializing in cliodynamics, accurately predicted in 2010 that the US would face social disintegration around 2020. Cliodynamics combines cultural evolution, economic history, and ma

  • 2163 FBF: Mini Client Case Studies

    31/05/2024 Duration: 28min

    Today's Flashback Friday is from episode 1001, published last May 16, 2018. Creating Wealth's 1001st episode is a time to take a look back at the people who have made this show possible, the listeners and clients. Jason has been blessed to have such great clients who come on the podcast to tell other listeners about their real estate journey. Today we've curated some mini client case studies as we look back at what actual real estate investors have to say about their experience working with Jason. Website: www.JasonHartman.com/Events   Follow Jason on TWITTER, INSTAGRAM & LINKEDIN Twitter.com/JasonHartmanROI Instagram.com/jasonhartman1/ Linkedin.com/in/jasonhartmaninvestor/ Call our Investment Counselors at: 1-800-HARTMAN (US) or visit: https://www.jasonhartman.com/ Free Class:  Easily get up to $250,000 in funding for real estate, business or anything else: http://JasonHartman.com/Fund CYA Protect Your Assets, Save Taxes & Estate Planning: http://JasonHartman.com/Protect Get wholesale real estate

  • 2162: Digital Currencies & Control: Navigating Privacy in a Cashless World & Building Resilient Financial Strategies with Catherine Austin Fitts Part 2

    29/05/2024 Duration: 27min

    Jason welcomes back Catherine Austin Fits as the guest of the show, and also announces the upcoming Wednesday masterclass on Zoom, focusing on taxation and money-saving strategies. The first guest for these high-content discussions will be 'Rich Dad' author Tom Wheelwright, who wrote the book "Tax-Free Wealth." This FREE masterclass, aimed at providing deep insights and will be held on the second Wednesday of every month. Go to https://www.jasonhartman.com/wednesday to register for FREE today! And in part 2 of Jason's talk with Catherine Austin Fitts, they discuss China's approach to Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs), which integrates CBDCs through commercial banks to avoid disrupting the existing banking system. They contrasted this with the European Central Bank's approach, which might eliminate traditional banks. Fitts expressed concerns about CBDCs' potential for government control and surveillance, emphasizing the need for privacy and financial autonomy. They also discuss the broader implications o

  • 2161: Unveiling Missing Trillions: Catherine Austin Fitts on Government Spending Part 1

    27/05/2024 Duration: 30min

    Broadcasting from Miami, Jason is heading to Orlando for the Rebel Capitalist event, where he'll be speaking on Saturday. Today, we have a fantastic discussion with Catherine Austin Fitts, who returns after nearly a decade. Her unique perspectives on the economy and the influence of elites are always enlightening. Don't miss our monthly Zoom meeting this Wednesday, featuring Tom Wheelwright, CPA and Rich Dad Advisor. Join us for expert tips on reducing your largest expense: taxes. Visit jasonhartman.com/Wednesday for more details. Then Jason welcomes Catherine Austin Fitts, of the Solari Report back to his show after nearly eight years. Catherine, served as Assistant Secretary of Housing under George H.W. Bush. They discuss the disappearance of trillions of dollars from federal budgets, starting in the mid-90s and escalating over the years. By 2001, $4 trillion was unaccounted for, rising to $21 trillion by 2015. Catherine reveals systemic financial mismanagement and secrecy within the U.S. government, emphas

  • 2160 FBF: Benjamin Hardy - Slipstream Time Hacking, How to Cheat Time, Live More & Enhance Happiness & Willpower Doesn't Work, Discover the Hidden Keys to Success, Medium.com

    24/05/2024 Duration: 44min

    Today features a Flashback Friday and a 10th episode, which is from 970, published last March 5, 2018. Jason Hartman starts today's show with a recap of the JHU Live event from this past weekend and a preview of a future event in the Northeast. Then, in his 10th episode interview, Jason talks with Benjamin Hardy, author of Willpower Doesn't Work: Discover the Hidden Keys to Success, about how to time hack, be much more productive, the difference between successful people and the unsuccessful, relative ease in 10Xing your business, not using your circumstance as an excuse, and more. Key Takeaways: 5:28 You can't separate politics from personal finance in today's world 10:08 There's now a Venture Alliance Jr membership level for those under 35 Benjamin Hardy Interview: 11:32 The premise of Slipstream Time Hacking 15:21 You can choose to think of time as away or as a distance 19:36 What would Ben's response be to someone who said his book was just "work harder and faster"? 21:40 10X thinking is a lot easier than

  • 2159: Home Prices, Market Movements and Housing Shortages with Sean O'Toole of Property Radar Part 2

    22/05/2024 Duration: 27min

    It's part 2 of our conversation with Sean O'Toole as we talk about the evolving real estate market. Also, don't miss our interactive Zoom meetings with tax expert and Rich Dad Author Tom Wheelwright this second Wednesday of the month. Register at https://www.jasonhartman.com/Wednesday for valuable insights and personalized Q&A sessions. Jason Hartman and Sean O'Toole finish their talk as they discuss the impact of housing inventory levels and credit card debt, noting the importance of adjusting these figures for population growth. O'Toole highlights California's housing crisis, where strict building regulations and NIMBYism hinder affordable housing development. He points out that while modern homes are sturdier, the costs have skyrocketed, making new affordable housing virtually "illegal." O'Toole also explains the shift in the real estate market, where wholesalers are increasingly selling properties directly to consumers rather than investors due to inventory shortages, affecting traditional investment

  • 2158: Market Dynamics: Inventory, Interest Rates, and Buyer Behavior with Sean O'Toole of Property Radar Part 1

    20/05/2024 Duration: 30min

    Jason welcomes Sean O'Toole from Property Radar who will talk about the current trends in the real estate market, particularly the rise in tapable equity for mortgage holders. Jason clarified that this trend is not a threat but an opportunity for investors, contrasting it with the risky lending practices that led to the 2008 financial crisis.  Then Jason and Sean discuss the current state of the real estate market, focusing on inventory trends, the impact of high interest rates, and the value of real estate over price. They also explore the potential for price drops, the influence of technological advancements on prices, and the challenges of rising housing costs. Lastly, they examine the activities of wholesalers in the real estate market and the ongoing issue of foreclosures, with Sean providing insights on his company's data tracking system and the shift in the market due to a scarcity of available properties. https://www.propertyradar.com/ #MarketDynamics #RealEstateInventory #InterestRates #BuyerBehavior

  • 2157 FBF: Client Case Study: 5 Homes in 7 Months & Hurricane Florence Update

    17/05/2024 Duration: 28min

    This Flashback Friday is from episode 1062, published last September 26, 2018. Jason Hartman begins this episode on a somber note, talking with Phil in Myrtle Beach about the aftermath of Hurricane Florence. Phil discusses what the status of his neighborhood is, the good deeds being done in the area, and how he expects his tight knit community to protect each other in the aftermath. Then Jason moves to a happier subject, talking with client Diana Dine about her experience investing in real estate. Diana just recently bought her first home and is now up to 5 properties between Jackson and Memphis. She recently went to both cities to meet with the Local Market Specialists and discusses her future plans as she moves toward her financial independence. Key Takeaways: 3:38 The power situation in Phil's neighborhood 8:54 What can people do for the hurricane damaged communities right now? 12:11 The aftermath of the hurricane is generally worse than the actual hurricane Client Case Study with Diana 14:36 Why did Diana

  • 2156: Unlocking the Secrets of Offshore Trusts: Strategies for Asset Protection with Mauricio Rauld Part 2

    15/05/2024 Duration: 32min

    Jason welcomes a seasoned real estate investor, who shares insights on asset protection, property management and more. Come meet, his mom! Diving into estate planning and legal structuring, they emphasize the importance of self-management. Explaining the setup of management companies and property ownership distinctions, Jason also advocates for a hybrid self-management approach. With anecdotes on tenant retention and rent increases, they stress the significance of long-term tenant relationships. Offering tips on service provider negotiations and tenant selection, they highlight the benefits of proactive property management. Ultimately, they champion self-management for maximizing profits and maintaining control over investments.  Then Jason finishes up his conversation with Mauricio Rauld, asset protection expert as they dive into the intricacies of trust structures, liability mitigation, and legal strategies. Emphasizing the importance of safeguarding assets, Mauricio navigates through the complexities of of

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